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Econ Notes- 01/12/06

Econ Notes

January 12,2006

Today's lessons were about how the government spends its... ahem.... our money and how business owners make their money.

Mr. Z says:

Taxpayers expect the that the government should spend money wisely. The government has certain responsibilities, and all of those responsiblities should lead to one thing: to benefit the people as a whole. Unfortunately, the government often spends money in such a way that taxpayers do not agree with.

Today he drew a chart that he called the "Guns and Roses Chart." He said that government could chose to spend all its resources on "guns", all of its money on "roses" (making it clear that you could change those words as you see fit - military and state parks, for instance), or allot certain amounts for both. Mr. Z says that how the U.S. spends money falls in between the two lines on his G&R chart. Please see my crappy MS Paint version.

Next, Mr. Z decided to show us how capitalism works... *smirk* He drew this chart for us:

His explaination:

The owner of a business hires employees. The more employess he hires, the more money the business will (hopefully) make. Of the net income, the business owner, who does nothing and is rarely on the site at all, gets the chunk of money shown at the top of the chart. That leaves the other part to be split among his hardworking employees.

One of my fellow students makes this point:

If it weren't for the owner making the business to begin with, these people wouldn't have a job at all. Besides, if they feel they're not getting paid enough, in our country they have the freedom to find work elsewhere.

To my surprise, Mr. Z agrees with Kamron and tells him he is finally getting what this class is all about. But then he goes back to his ranting. He says that business owners are against minimum wage because it decreases their profits. In his words, "To them, it means the difference between a Hummer and a Cadillac at the end of the year."

He dismissed class on that note.

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by VoteRando on 01/16/06


Submitted by PerhapsNot on Tue, 2006/01/17 - 02:35.
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Maybe business owners are (sometimes) against minimum wage laws because they realize that government interference will benefit neither the employer nor the employed!  After all, would not the overseer of what is being made or produced know what is best to pay the producer and that, to maintain an employ, he must keep his own minimum?  Opportunity cost is the question government should never try to answer. 

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Submitted by codemonkey on Tue, 2006/01/17 - 15:37.
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It's not true that the more employees a business has, the more money it makes.  There is an optimal ratio at which the employees are able to effectively use the resources available to them without getting in each others' way.  It's kind of like that old saying, "Too many cooks will spoil the soup."  Say you own an automotive plant.  There is one employee who mounts the wheel on the rim, and one down the line who uses an air wrench to fasten it on.  If you hired four more people to help with these two jobs, productivity would actually fall, because it only takes one guy to put the wheel on.  If there are two other guys getting in his way, he won't be able to do his job as effectively, just as the guy down the line will be slowed by the two others trying to bolt on the same wheel he's working on.

Also, it seems to me that your economics teacher doesn't know much about running a business.  I've worked in a number of places, and the owner is there all the time.  Last summer I worked in a gas station, and the owner would work the register next to mine if the other employees were busy.  Even if she wasn't working, she'd stop in all the time to make sure everything was going all right.   My uncle is also a business owner, and my family worries he's going to work himself into an early grave.  He's on the job five days a week, and often spends weekends hosting executives from the company (he owns a Polaris dealership).  He's got one of the most successful businesses in town, but he doesn't have a really nice car.  He drives a truck, because it's practical, and he can't afford to be spending money on things that aren't practical.  The only people in town who own Hummers or new Caddys are the Realtors, just because of the way the housing market is right now.   Business owners aren't the villains he makes them out to be. 




Submitted by PretzelLogic88 on Thu, 2006/01/19 - 12:50.
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lol i don't think this guy is much of an econ teacher if he doesn't understand the law of diminishing returns, as codemonkey explained

also, he didn't explain the production possibilites curve very well either.  its a model of the nation's entire economy, not just what the government spends, and it measures production of capital goods, on the y axis, and the production of consumer goods, on the x axis.

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Submitted by Primenumbergirl on Thu, 2006/01/19 - 13:05.
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the guy is a total hack.  She should ask for her money back.  :o)

This is something that has always torqued me about teachers.  As a student you don't always have a lot of experience in the art of debate or in many cases, tons of irrefutable evidence at your fingertips to defend your positions.  so you are forced to sit in class and listen to their drivel.  Plus the fact that your grade depends on reguritating their opinions back to them in papers and on tests (not that that isn't always an important skill to have).  I just feel bad for the kids that aren't smart enough to recognize when they are having smoke blown up their backsides.  I'm glad I am through with forced with learning.

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Submitted by RushFan on Thu, 2006/01/19 - 14:24.
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Anybody who says you can't protest teachers like this is lying. I regularly bring my won materials to biased classes. I'll pass them out to fellow students, or read them out loud to the teachers.  As far as the art of debate. Most teachers of mine weren't too great at it either. The ones that I usually cant beat are the english teachers, for obvious reasons.

His business theoretics are also bullshit. I'm 15 and I can tell just from watching my dad run a business; his would fail for sure if he ran one. To maximize profit you must run everything in the most efficient matter.

For example, they counted the very small parts in a special manner to get the most accurate counts. One day I was working over there, because some people were on vacation, e and my dad considered the matter and decided it was false-accounting. Because the parts are only worth a couple cents, you have two situations:

1) Pay the counters 14/hr to spend all day getting x amount of work done, and have accurate counts

2) Change the counting method, so now you pay the counter 14/h2 to get 2x amount of work done. The counts will be less accurate, however the prospect of giving away a few dollars of extra parts is still more efficient than the former method.

Ultimately we changed the method to option 2. 

Now lets take some other instances. Taking out large loans to buy new machinery. During the early 80s, and early 90s, there was a time of great prosperity for manufacturing businesses. Many businessess took out large loans to buy fancy machinery, potentially making new machinery. However, my grandfather, who had been there done that,  had taught my father to never take loans out on stuff like that. It wound up paying off. Once business slagged off, these companies had huge debts to pay off. In order to justify the cost of the machines, they had to run them all day or they were loosing serious cash. The trouble is they couldn't sell the parts. Ultimately these businesses were forced into bankruptcy. Because the business had payed all of their machines off, there was no rush to run them. If a machine was not needed, or was not making enough profit, they could simply shut if down and have the operator work another machine.

Here's two additional examples of why understanding efficiency is so important. I'm going to be a business major in college, and I'm sure that I will a-lot of useful and solid information whiel pursuing my degree. However, I really question how much information you'll actually learn in a high school economics class... I think Lacy has made this point time and time again.

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Submitted by Primenumbergirl on Thu, 2006/01/19 - 15:33.
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I'm going to be a business major in college, and I'm sure that I will a-lot of useful and solid information whiel pursuing my degree.

Maybe.  You will probably learn more from your dad.  Business is more experiential. I suggest you go to a college that really stresses internships rather than a bunch of lectures by scholarly teachers who haven't been inside a company for 15 years.   Books only go so far. 

However, I really question how much information you'll actually learn in a high school economics class.

There is absolutely no reason that economics can't be taught well in high school.  It's just too bad she has a hack for a teacher.




Submitted by VoteRando on Fri, 2006/01/20 - 11:15.
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About the business owners not being there... I guess it depends... although I must say that I think they usually are. I mean, this guy owns a car dealership in Crystal River, but he also owns 5 more in the area, and he's not always there, but that's just because he can't be everywhere at once. He also is loaded with money... but what do you expect? He owns 6 dealerships, not one, plus he must have had some money in the first place to have started these businesses...

But on the flip-side -- I work at Subway, and the owner is scheduled to work just the same as everyone else, and he does everything... cleaning, register, food...

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Submitted by noid on Sun, 2006/01/29 - 17:30.
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Maybe you should homeschool.  You'd get to choose how you want to learn.



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